There are some very fine-grained distinctions as regards our hobby. The learning curve to be good at it is "real." It requires a specific type of conscious, 4D literacy to understand why some conversations are being had, let alone assess the merits of a specific argument. Our parents and grandparents are mostly glad that we are not on the streets, that we have found something to do with ourselves that doesn't revolve primarily around servicing trucker dick. But they don't understand it. And most people can't.
